CrossTalk: Revolt in the West
Oooops. I wasn’t going to post this just yet, but now that it’s out . . .
Norm’s note: Yes, I’ve put this, in part, in the category of “humour,” because I honestly thought there were some rather funny instances, as in when Stephen Haseler, with all the sincerity of “one who knows,” averred that the problem wasn’t “capitalism” per se, but “globalization.” I don’t know why, but that almost had me rolling on the floor and thinking that that response had to be inspired by Monty Python.
In my opinion, Joaquin Flores is the most worthy of your ear, and I think people serious about wanting change should try to attune themselves to the subtleties of his hints (and just for the fun of it, try gauging his reaction throughout the interview to what the other two guests have to say by watching his demeanor. A very gracious and restrained man, indeed.) But whether Flores is actually the more substantive of the lot, that’s not really for me to decide, but an assessment that you would have made on your own, anyway.
(And a hat tip goes out to Scott Creighton for this.)
24 Feb. 2017
Norm’s note: Because she took the words right out of my mouth and then a great deal more, some trenchant remarks from MOHANDEER on the interview:
From Haseler: “….when capitalism was national (run by the elites) it produced a good middle class system and a good standard of living….”
He obviously knows this because he grew up in that “capitalist” run system and in his poverty, he found himself as having a good standard of living????? Perhaps he would like to have taken a walk in my shoes, born in the fifties into a poor family where there was no work and the difference between the classes was night and day. Apart from porridge in the morning, it was nothing unusual for me to go to bed hungry. I wonder if he enjoyed the same privilege of going hungry as a child??????
Papadopoulis[:] “I’m against referendums on such complicated issues. No surprise there since the British people were deliberately kept in the dark about what was going on and the Labour Party abdicated their responsibilities totally, – on the merits, – of staying in the EU, – did not take up the opportunities that were offered in controlling immigration when it was in power – and refused to offer a referendum on membership in their manifesto because it was patently clear from their failures when in power, that many Brits, including Labour voters, wanted a say.” “We elect politicians…. to make these tough decisions” is a non-statement – the only reason that many of them were elected was because there was no better alternative candidate available to the Labour Party Members in opposition to the Conservatives and in the vote for whether or not to bomb Syria, voted according to their own bias without any acknowledgement of the fact that their constituents, whom they supposedly represent, did not want to bomb Syria.
Labour’s unwillingness to let the country have a vote or to enter into any kind of discourse, was precisely the point why Labour lost and Tories won, because Cameron understood why the promise of a referendum was such a vote winner. It backfired mightily because he thought that the 24% vote for Tories, in his mind, meant that he had gulled Brits into believing his codswallop and would, therefore, follow him like the good little sheep they were supposed to be.
The Labour Party is now so Right wing that they have outgrown even that label. In a bid to secure power and keep the centrist Jeremy Corbyn out, they rigged the ballots of their own members, were feeding their right wing Guardian and Mirror MSM with all kinds of smears and deployed their powerful pro Israeli, Zionist Lobby in attacking Corbyn as an anti Semite (which he isn’t). They even considered breaking the party, knowing that it would split the vote in the next General Election which would mean another Tory win, venturing as far as trying to form a coalition with the LibDems, who rejected the proposition, because even they feel that the (democratic socialist) Labour Party majority MP’s were too far right for them.
Flores: “the elites think that the people are incapable of making decisions themselves…… because they might vote the wrong way…..that a referendum is as close as you can get to direct democracy.” Needless to say, Haseler didn’t like the idea that people should have the opportunity to have a direct vote on important issues, presumably matters like EU membership, Trident, death penalty???? – we don’t have it in the UK, but it is quite a major issue and to put it into context, 68% of the country polled by most of the MSM did not want the war on Iraq. When Blair was asked if their should be a referendum, he told the interviewer “we can’t have a referendum on every decision government has to make”, in other words, he wouldn’t have let us have a referendum because he knew that the vote would go against him, so he relieved us of that right and took us into “an illegal war” (as stated by Kofi Anan – previous Gen.Sec. UN). The elites do not like the people having their say, precisely because it is in stark contrast to what the self-serving, nest building, pocket lining, personal empire building elites are offering!!!
Lavelle said it right when referring to democracy, that so much has been stripped away by the establishment, the only thing they have left is the ballot (and then, only if it has not been rigged).
Flores’ parting shot about what was going on with regard the push back by voters is a pretty good summing up.
Flores pretty much hit the nail on the head when he said it was not about left or right, since the lines have been blurred for some time and the left seems to have lost its compass and its founding principles – if any have survived with some of these pseudo lefties.
But don’t let me influence your critical thinking.
The West appears to have entered into a new era – the era of the political upsets, growing anger, and increased disillusionment with ruling elites. It is not a question of leftwing – rightwing politics. It is all about a failing status quo.
CrossTalking with Stephen Haseler, Marcus Papadopoulos, and Joaquin Flores.