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Hearing # 37 of German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee 30 January, 2021: Interview with Dr. Vanessa Schmidt-Kruger

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Viviane Fischer: But against the backdrop of this DNA issue, especially in the case of dividing cells, the question that arises is that it is probably especially dangerous to vaccinate pregnant women or children, because in those cases the cells are dividing much more than in an adult or a very old person.

Dr. Vanessa Schmidt-Krueger: That’s absolutely the case.

This is Hearing No. 37 of the German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee with Dr. Vanessa Schmidt-Krueger, beginning at minute 3.56.38 of the hearing to the end. The transcript was first produced in German and then translated (by Gilian Crowther, member of the BDÜ, the Federal Association of Interpreters and Translators)

For the original, please see Hearing 37 here

The German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee was launched by Dr. Reiner Fuellmich on July 10, 2020. Dr. Fuellmich LL.M. (UCLA) is an attorney at law, authorized to represent at all courts in the US federal state of California. He has been a consumer protection trial lawyer in California and Germany for 26 years.

The Corona Investigative Committee has been listening to a large number of international scientists and expert testimony since its inception. Class-action lawsuits are being prepared in the US and Canada. Lawsuits are also being prepared in Germany. Germany does not permit class-actions so the process is being prepared differently there. The committee is also working on the creation of legal guidelines and data caches that attorneys around the world will be able to use to file their own lawsuits.

On 30th January 2021 the German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee interviewed Dr. Vanessa Schmidt-Kruger, a Cell Biologist with over 20 years’ experience in molecular medicine working at the Max Delbrück Center for Molecular Medicine (https://www.mdc-berlin.de/person/dr-vanessa-schmidt-kruger).

This is her evidence presented at the 37th Hearing of the German Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee on 30th January 2021.

RF = Dr. Reiner Fuellmich

VSK = Dr. Vanessa Schmidt-Krueger

VF = Viviane Fischer

MT = Marcel Templin

Dr. H. = Dr. Holzeisen (Italy)

[WW = Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg]

*RF: Dr. Schmidt-Krueger conducts research on cardiovascular disease and will explain the mechanism and risks of the vaccine.

*VSK: I’m a cell biologist and my specialist field is the functional characterisation and elucidation of proteins, i.e., I understand how proteins are produced, how they are transported in the cell, how they are taken up by cells, how they are metabolised, how intra- and intercellular communication takes place, including within tissue, and how organs interact. This is all very important if one wishes to conduct a risk assessment: how the vaccine functions for example, and the dangers/risks of the lipid nanoparticles (LNPs). This technology is not really new: it’s novel as a vaccine, but we have been using these LNPs in research for over 20 years, and we have always been struggling with the problem of toxicity of the lipids and balancing this against their efficacy.

I would like to explain a little using the example of the BioNTech (BioNTech) vaccine, focusing on a number of specific points. I’ve made a few notes.

The first point is that the BioNTech vaccine that is currently already being used is not highly purified, it contains contaminants of certain components. This is in the EMA’s Open Assessment Report, the Agency that has granted the authorisation to this vaccine. The EMA has written this report, and covers this point.

Secondly, I would like to go into the first clinical study of the BioNTech vaccine, and how the quantity of vaccine to be used was determined: this has not been correctly characterised from a scientific perspective in my opinion.

Point 3 relates to the effects or risks of the LNPs, and again I will be focusing on the BioNTech vaccine, the preclinical study they conducted, everything that came out in that, and what has not been discussed in public, and also what the publications say. This is basically not the only research study [on this].

And finally if we have time I would like to talk about the long-term consequences relating to immune disease, that is an aspect that has not yet been discussed in public at all.

RF: I don’t know if you are aware of this, but right next to you [on screen] is the colleague Dr. Holzeisen, who is key in constructing the plea for annulment of the vaccine authorisation: what you say today is likely to have a substantial impact on the lawsuit that we formulate and submit to the European Medicines Agency/the EU Commission.

VSK: Ok, pleased to help. I have made notes and can submit them in writing later.\ Good. Why isn’t all this being discussed? One reason might be that this Open Assessment Report is in English, and half of Germany can’t speak English. Then there’s the factor that one needs to be very familiar with the entire medical terminology in the report. And then there are all the technologies and cellular operations described: only specialists like myself can really understand them. That’s why I’m here, and would like to try and throw some light on all of this.

Basically the EMA Committee’s report has two main sections: one is about Good Manufacturing Practice, GMP, i.e. all the production processes, purification, how good the quality is and the monitoring mechanisms. And the second section is the preclinical study.

In the first section on the GMP they have done very good work I would say: they were very critical, asked for subsequent submission of a great deal of scientific evidence, and asked for numerous improvements. They were very critical and granular, and I was impressed with that. But their approach to the second section concerning side effects was in stark contrast to that. They didn’t conduct any critical scrutiny at all, there are lots of side effects that were not discussed at all in public, they also didn’t critically scrutinise what consequences it will have to inject this into people, particularly vulnerable groups who already have certain organ-related complaints, who are especially susceptible to these adverse effects. I’ll go into them in detail at the end.

We know that normally vaccine development takes a very long time. It’s not just the clinical phase: with this vaccine, it’s set at three times two and a half years, i.e., three phases of 2.5 years each plus the evaluation phase, which makes 7 ½ years in total. And then one shouldn’t forget that the production optimisation is also important, at least a year would surely be needed for that. That hasn’t taken place at all. The vaccine is already being sold and used, but the production optimisation isn’t yet by any means completed. And there are considerable deficiencies.

One issue I would like to discuss are the deficiencies relating to the active substance: by that, I mean the modified RNA that they are synthesising. As a second issue there are deficiencies in the consistency of the various production batches: they need to always be consistent so that one always obtains the same vaccine volume and quality.

The problem that BioNTech had is that in the clinical phase the product, i.e. the RNA, was produced with completely different techniques to how it is being produced now. During the clinical phase they only needed small volumes of vaccine, they were able to use very expensive techniques that delivered highly purified end products. Now that they have entered mass production, that is no longer possible, they have had to switch to lower-cost processes, e.g. using huge quantities of DNA that functions as the substrate to be able to produce the RNA in an in-vitro transcription reaction. This is done via bacteria, via the fermentation of transformed bacteria that contain this DNA. The bacteria multiply the DNA in huge amounts, and this leads to new dangers or risks, particularly contamination. At the moment for instance the situation is that the DNA is transformed in the bacteria, it is multiplied, next the bacteria are opened and the DNA is extracted, then it is linearised via enzymes, and after that the linearised DNA undergoes in-vitro transcription to produce the RNA using various procedures. The EMA Committee made various requirements of the vaccine manufacturer, i.e. BioNTech. The applicant needs to now develop and introduce various analysis processes to ensure that the substrate is free of microbiological contaminants – they probably mean E Coli bacteria for example. There don’t seem to be any processes to ensure or monitor for that. They also need to ensure that all the buffers – those are the solvents that are used – are free of RNAses. RNAses are enzymes that degrade RNA. If there are any contaminants of these RNAse solvents, then RNA in the vaccine will be degraded and the vaccine won’t have any effect anymore. They also have to analyse how strong the activity of the enzymes is; that is very important because I explained that after that the RNA is transcribed from the DNA and then the DNA has to be eliminated, it is digested by enzymes: by DNAses. And if this DNA is not digested well enough, if residues are left, this harbours risks – I’ll come back to the risks from DNA residues, but the activity of the enzymes has to be monitored well and at the end you need to have a pure RNA without any more DNA. And that is not the case. BioNTech has admitted that there are DNA contaminants.

So. Requirements were also made relating to the fact that they have not conducted a transport verification study. This means they have no idea whether the vaccine is still viable after transportation. That is currently being performed.

Then there’s the sterility of the vaccine vial. They have good vials, they have tested them, but they have been asked to develop a new “Quick Test” so that the doctor or whoever administers the vaccine can conduct this test to check whether the batch that they have just purchased is really sterile.

This is simply an additional step that should be taken.

And then they don’t have any proper standard for the various batches.

It was found that the integrity of the RNA always varies in the batches that had been made. I will come back to that again. There needs to be a standard that is always the same for each batch. This should be used as the reference to measure the standard. And they only have this of course for the processes of the clinical phase. Now we have to generate a new standard for the new manufacturing processes, i.e., for the commercial sales. That hasn’t been done yet, they are in the process of doing that now.

So – the integrity of the RNA means of course the RNA quality. They have found that this is not very high: it was higher for the processes during the clinical phase. In this report they don’t say how high it is, but I have other information that says 78% of the RNA was good [translator: this refers to the integrity], the remainder was not, but now they have found new batches with only 55% RNA integrity, i.e., half of it is basically unviable. I’ll explain that again: during the synthesis of this RNA, the DNA serves as a template, and then the RNA is produced. It is possible that the entire RNA is not produced, the process is broken off prematurely, this has to be checked. There are analysis methods for checking what percentage of the product that has been produced has the full RNA length (100%), and what percentage is only 80% or whatever. These truncated pieces of RNA are more unstable as a result: at the end of the RNA there is an adenine attachment, and the longer this “tail” is, the more stable the RNA is in the cell. If this is truncated, the RNA is degraded in the cell relatively fast, and then no protein can be formed at all: in the worst case so little protein is formed that no immune response can take place. But that’s the worst case. If you have RNA integrity of only 55% and the remaining 45% is just truncated pieces because you have found shortened pieces of RNA, then the EMA Committee wanted to know whether truncated protein pieces would be produced, and how much of the proper protein [translator: i.e., spike protein] is produced. This all needs to be analysed.

RF: You are just explaining to us everything that is going wrong with production, and a risk that does not appear to have been discussed at all – at least I have not read anything about what you have just discussed – is that 45% of the RNA that is produced from the DNA is non-viable.

VSK: It may be non-viable if the protein is not formed – BioNTech has to check that now because one can make the proteins visible using a specific technique, and then one can see how large the proteins are. They are divided up according to their size, and if truncated proteins are made due to shortened pieces of RNA, then one sees that because new shorter proteins are formed. In their analysis they have seen various bands, i.e. various protein sizes, and the EMA Committee would like to know from BioNTech whether these various sizes all belong to the same protein or not – whether they are other proteins – shortened proteins that perhaps have no effects at all, and what percentage of the correct protein that we want to have is actually in the vaccine dose. How much is being made.

VF: The small proteins: could they simply have no function, or might they produce some other effect?

VSK: I assume that they would then be without function.

RF: At least they wouldn’t be doing any damage then?\ \ VSK: Yes, these are not completely different proteins, this is just a small fraction of the spike protein. (15.11)

VF: And just one other question about the DNA – what kind of DNA is this that is sort of swimming around, what effects could it have?

VSK: The sequence of the DNA is complementary to the RNA, and this is needed so that the enzyme has a “template”, so that the RNA can be “read”. The RNA is transcribed by the DNA, that is basically the gene of the spike protein. The gene codes for the protein; the RNA is the interim product.

WW: If shorter pieces are produced, i.e., not the longer proteins but these short sections, I’m thinking about the immune system. There are many homologies in biology, the immune system reacts differently to what is produced in the cell. Is it possible that certain things – that something is is recognised there by the immune system that leads to cross-reactions – leading to aberrant immunity or aberrant immune reactions? I would be interested in the immunological aspect of these contaminants.

VSK: The protein has a specific sequence length and a specific number of amino acids, this results in specific folding of the protein. If one has truncated RNA, it is possible that the folding looks different, and this can of course have an effect on the antibody formation. I wouldn’t say that it would have a negative effect because the protein has to reach the cell surface for the cell to recognise it at all. If it is very truncated, then it doesn’t find its way there, it would not be anchored in the membrane, it would be secreted from the cell and enter the [blood] flow. So this is theoretically possible, but I think the likelihood is very slight that another protein or a differently folded protein would arise, causing other types of side effect.

WW: Thank you.

VSK: To come back to Ms. Fischer’s question about the DNA. The problem is that when it contains DNA contaminants, then the situation is: well, with RNA it is relatively unlikely that it can integrate into the host’s cell nucleus. The situation is different with DNA, and especially in this case because you have contaminants of linearised DNA. The integration of DNA into the nuclear genome is relatively rare really – many different factors have to come together for this to function. First of all the cell has to divide; if it divides properly it can’t be integrated because the cell genome is in the nucleus of the cell and this cell nucleus first has to dissolve. But it only does this when the cell is dividing. I will come back to this, because the lipid nanoparticles get into all cells, not just the muscle cells – it is an error to believe the latter.

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COVID-19 Vaccines and Children: A Scientist’s Guide for Parents — Dr. Byram W. Bridle, PhD

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Please see the attached [full] guide for parents. Please circulate it as widely as you feel comfortable. I am receptive to respectful discussions with those who believe that scientists, physicians, and other professionals should be able to openly discuss the science and medicine underpinning COVID-19 policies.

Sincerely,
Byram

COVID-19 Vaccines and Children: A Scientist’s Guide for Parents — Dr. Byram W. Bridle, PhD, 202 pages, PDF

From the Guide:

Who is Dr. Bridle?

I am an Associate Professor of Viral Immunology in the Department of Pathobiology at
the University of Guelph in Canada. My research program focuses on the development of
vaccines to prevent infectious diseases and treat cancers, as well as studying the body’s immune
response to viruses. I teach several courses at the undergraduate and graduate levels on the
topics of immunology, virology, and cancer biology. The overall aim of my research efforts is to
develop safe and effective new therapies for people. Indeed, one of my previous cancer therapies
progressed into four human clinical trials. I am also involved in training Canada’s next generation
of multidisciplinary researchers, especially in vaccinology. I received funding from the Ontario
Government (COVID-19 Rapid Research Fund, Ministry of Colleges and Universities) and
Government of Canada (Pandemic Response Challenge Program, National Research Council of
Canada) to develop vaccines against COVID-19. The scope of this research is limited to the preclinical
realm and is years away from being ready for testing in a clinical trial. Since I do not hold
any commercial interests, this is not considered a conflict of interest that would preclude me
from publishing my research findings. If that were the case, most researchers could never
comment on topics relevant to their area of expertise, because they receive funding in that area.
Further, my laboratory’s vaccine vectors also express the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2. As such,
what I am presenting here affects my vaccines as much as anyone else’s. I also hold numerous
grants in support of my cancer research and basic viral immunology research programs, including,
but not limited, to the Canadian Institutes for Health Research, Natural Sciences and Engineering
Research Council of Canada, Canadian Cancer Society, and Cancer Research Society. Since the
COVID-19 pandemic was declared, I have been actively involved in providing fact-based,
balanced, scientific answers to questions posed by the public to help them make fully informed
decisions. This has included ~150 media engagements ranging from radio shows, published
articles, and appearances on televised news programs, spanning the local to international scope.
I was also an invited keynote speaker for two international conferences that focused on COVID-
19 and served as an invited member of several COVID-19-focused discussion panels. Vaccinology
is a sub-discipline of immunology. I teach the value of high-quality, well-validated, robustly
safety-tested vaccines and promote their use. I consider vaccines that have been developed on
a foundation of sound science to be the most efficient type of medicine; they have costeffectively
saved millions of people from sickness and/or death. However, I am concerned that
the risk-benefit profile of SARS-CoV-2 vaccines currently being used in Canada and elsewhere
may not be appropriate for the mass immunization of children, youth, and young adults of childbearing
age. My scientific reasoning substantiated by the peer-reviewed literature is contained
within this guide.

See also: Canadian Covid Care Alliance

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Audio podcast: Trish Wood with Dr. Byram Bridle and Robert W Malone, MD | Trish Wood is Critical

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Trish Wood’s introduction:

“In an explosive interview, impeccably credentialed Malone and Bridle go after those trying to silence anyone raising issues about vaccine safety. They explore spike proteins, dosing errors, coersion of children, the attack on podcaster Bret Weinstein and the absence of risk-benefit ratios, the bedrock of ethical medicine.    Also, Canadian docs, Donald Welsh and Jean Marc Benoit who are collecting information and boldly speaking out.”

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